tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1870069212223825401.post2901581502301768232..comments2024-03-28T03:27:26.345-04:00Comments on Dee-lusions of Grandeur: We All Wear MasksDee Mentiahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07798903090538917010noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1870069212223825401.post-17666691714513370772011-03-06T18:25:23.783-05:002011-03-06T18:25:23.783-05:00To be honest the line of the makeup didn't rea...To be honest the line of the makeup didn't really even cross my radar as out of place. I just read it as either 1) Calvin considered it all part of the mask, or 2) Cavlin cross-dressed and wanted to show Dee that even cross dressing doesn't reveal his true nature, that only a mask could (and of course it went a lot further than even he thought it would. <br /><br />Either version works for me.Caitlyn Maskedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02732033913089350905noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1870069212223825401.post-78203200784175934792011-03-06T16:47:32.623-05:002011-03-06T16:47:32.623-05:00@ Dee
I discussed that here because you brought i...@ Dee<br /><br />I discussed that here because you brought it up as one example I had an issue with the night before. Really it was the make up that bugged me the most and all of those ideas would have helped it I think.Jenniferhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08278508284141041193noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1870069212223825401.post-59493012857571752182011-03-06T10:40:40.742-05:002011-03-06T10:40:40.742-05:00@ Jennifer
I probably should've just left the...@ Jennifer<br /><br />I probably should've just left the makeup line out of it and possibly used that extra 10 words for a bit more exposition. I figured I needed to do acknowledge it when I made it. Looking back though, I could have left it alone, and if need be, explain that Calvin himself had put it on when feeling like Cailtyn, or that it just happened sometime during the party itself.<br /><br />The "agreeing to go to the party" I don't think really makes much of an impact. I've ended up at many parties where I didn't know I was even going to one. You hang out and "Hey dude! there is a party at so-and-so's, you in?" I think the makeup was much more of an issue than the invite I think.Dee Mentiahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07798903090538917010noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1870069212223825401.post-45154088816540440732011-03-05T16:07:54.170-05:002011-03-05T16:07:54.170-05:00@ Dee
Well, it says that Calvin agreed to go to t...@ Dee<br /><br />Well, it says that Calvin agreed to go to the party with Dee to prove a point. It sounds like Dee was already going to the party, But Mostly the only unanswered questions I have left in either caption is why Dee put the make up on Calvin. I understand she did it to better disguise him, but the make up in the picture is feminine and I just wonder why you made her look like a girl before Caitlyn made her full debut later on. <br /><br />Of course, I usually have to come up with reasons for most everything I do in a story. even if those reasons aren't explained, I still come up with them and will add that to the story if it fits into the story. <br /><br />What I see in the cap is that you already had the mask's and make up, you were already going to the party and calvin only came along to prove a point. Then calvin gives way to caitlyn and you give way to Mistress Dee. It could be seen as some sort of master plan on your part, having the make up and everything all ready for calvin too put on for the party that he wasn't going to go to.<br /><br />So, I guess it's just the pre-crossdressing thats in the caption. The TF comes later, but you made calvin look like a girl before he even got to the party. <br /><br />I might just be over thinking it and it really doesn't hurt the caption in the end. For the second cap you fixed all of the other issues I brought up, so it works a lot better I think.Jenniferhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08278508284141041193noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1870069212223825401.post-83213801474190903752011-03-02T16:22:29.959-05:002011-03-02T16:22:29.959-05:00@Dee
While I can't speak for everyone, I can ...@Dee<br /><br />While I can't speak for everyone, I can say that this 'deconstruction' has not lessened my enjoyment at all! In fact it heightens my enjoyment many times over. <br /><br />I would have enjoyed the first caption if I had never seen the final version of this. And the fact that you wanted it better than that makes me feel honored. And beyond all that I just love talking about cap creation!Caitlyn Maskedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02732033913089350905noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1870069212223825401.post-28393243132042224842011-03-02T12:05:45.999-05:002011-03-02T12:05:45.999-05:00I also HOPE upon HOPES that my deconstruction of t...I also HOPE upon HOPES that my deconstruction of the creation and its discussion hasn't lessened the enjoyment of the final caption, for Caitlyn and/or the readers.<br /><br />I thought that it would be important to show, warts and all, the reasoning and reworking of a caption that did NOT come as easy to me as I thought it would when I started.<br /><br />Many captions I make just seem to be written by a Dee Auto-pilot function. I can't necessarily go into fine detail about choices I made, when it just seemed right to do so. <br /><br />In a way, it is ironic that I did quite a few things that Caitlyn fusses over when she creates some of her masterpieces. I bet that cannot be any higher tribute to her than that!Dee Mentiahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07798903090538917010noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1870069212223825401.post-43492895582845274092011-03-02T12:01:58.404-05:002011-03-02T12:01:58.404-05:00@ Caitlyn
Well, as I had said, I sort of wish tha...@ Caitlyn<br /><br />Well, as I had said, I sort of wish that I DID have more pictures to spread it out over a few panels. So the original idea definitely was too complex for just one, but I still decided to work with what I had. <br /><br />I am glad that you saw the hesitation as a "testing ground" for the new Dee. If I had those extra panels, I would definitely have worked that a bit more (for example, had Caitlyn get on her knees and pay tribute to Mistress Dee, for instance, but with a softer touch.) <br /><br />Usually when I am too ambitious with my story, I can whittle it down to just the essentials. When I did that with the initial one I posted above, it sort of gutted even the tightest reading I could give it. The adaptions fleshed it out some. Just goes to show that its not "how many" words you use, but how you deploy them.<br /><br />The main thing to remember though is that this caption was created to make Caitlyn a happy camper, and I think it succeeded in that. The fact that *I* am not completely happy about it is another story.Dee Mentiahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07798903090538917010noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1870069212223825401.post-77355466317827259812011-03-02T10:33:24.734-05:002011-03-02T10:33:24.734-05:00@Dee
I don't know. The more I read the cap, t...@Dee<br />I don't know. The more I read the cap, the more I really like the hesitation. It shoes that the discovery isn't an immediate change. Dee is 'testing the waters' of Mistress Dee, and will soon find out that Mistress Dee is her true self. It doesn't come across clearly on the first, but I don't think that just removing the 'Um' and adding an exclamation point would necessarily fix it. But then again you know me... I don't even know the term 'economy of words'. I think the initial story idea may be a little complex for a single panel (of course having multiple panels gets into its own difficulty like you mentioned)Caitlyn Maskedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02732033913089350905noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1870069212223825401.post-49610454384049768812011-03-02T09:14:05.510-05:002011-03-02T09:14:05.510-05:00Stupid Blogger last night wouldn't let me post...Stupid Blogger last night wouldn't let me post my comment and it didn't save it either so I will have to start over again.<br /><br />@ Sasha<br /><br />You have to say MORE than just you liked one more than the other. Why did you like the 1st one better?<br /><br />@ Jenniger<br /><br />I don't mind you bringing up specific things. I want discussions, and the last few posts did NOT get many responses at all! I believe one of them was that the 1st line made it sound like Dee was making Calvin go to the party, right?<br /><br />@ everyone<br /><br />Looking back on this, I wish I had waited one more day to look at it. As Caitlyn said, and if I was able to post last night, it'd have said the same thing that she did. I would've taken out the "Um" part and also changed the punctuation at the end of what I said to an exclamation point, to show that waking up was more of an order. I also would've taken out the redundant "truly". Oh well, live and learn.<br /><br />@ Caitlyn, Simone<br /><br />Well, to be honest, I think I would split the difference in what you both say. As posted above, I noticed that in the 1st one, there was no real transformation of Dee, which negates the theory that Calvin proposes. In the second, I wanted it to appear that Dee sort of wanders around a bit before discovering her true self, which happened when she discovered Calvin's true self.Dee Mentiahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07798903090538917010noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1870069212223825401.post-91583038235723438192011-03-02T01:08:39.985-05:002011-03-02T01:08:39.985-05:00First thing first: LOVE the cap! It takes a lot ...First thing first: LOVE the cap! It takes a lot of what I say I like (something going too far), and, something I like but don't say often enough (self realization) and wraps them up nicely. <br /><br />Now the discussion question: I think you conveyed most of what you described into the cap. I got the 'Calvin' becoming 'Caitlyn' right away. I didn't get the 'Dee' into 'Mistress Dee' until the second read through (this is on the final version). I think that maybe more of the time in the story where the 'Dee' change takes place. 'Calvin' had three hours to become and experience being 'Caitlyn', while 'Dee' just became 'Mistress Dee' at the end. And part of it is also the hesitation. The "Um, Caitlyn? Mistress Dee says..." says to me that 'Dee' is still coming to grips with being 'Mistress Dee'. <br /><br />The first cap (according to what you wanted to convey) was too vague in my opinion. In that version I didn't get the Dee transformation at all. And I don't get that the transformation for Calvin hit early at all. In that first version when I read about his calm demeanor, I wasn't sure if that was the mask bringing out 'Caitlyn' or just 'Calvin' surprised that he felt at ease. The second cap was clearer just by adding the part about feeling the gaze of both men and women and getting invigorated by it. <br /><br />I think that the final version did succeed, and I do like it better than the first. <br /><br />@Mistress Simone<br /><br />That's odd, because I see it almost the opposite. In the final version I get the feeling that Dee was surprised by the change more than in the first. Even before getting the Dee/MistressDee transformation.Caitlyn Maskedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02732033913089350905noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1870069212223825401.post-83433729869902749012011-03-01T21:36:10.621-05:002011-03-01T21:36:10.621-05:00the second one makes for a different, firmer appro...the second one makes for a different, firmer approach. I feel there's a level of manipulation there that wasn't present in the first one. The first felt like a happy accident while the second feels like everything was planned from the start.Mistress Simonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03830472323307586514noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1870069212223825401.post-46378179711784116462011-03-01T20:14:28.590-05:002011-03-01T20:14:28.590-05:00I like the first one better. Great picture find.I like the first one better. Great picture find.sashahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01510131077053781113noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1870069212223825401.post-86968086819014548712011-03-01T20:06:20.711-05:002011-03-01T20:06:20.711-05:00The second one to me, is much better. Although, I ...The second one to me, is much better. Although, I still feel there's a lot of unanswered questions though. But thats just me.Jenniferhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08278508284141041193noreply@blogger.com